talking about dot, dot, dot…with steve cleaver

This is the second installment in the series “Talking About Dot, Dot, Dot…” where I have the privilege to sit and talk with people about matters of creativity, spirituality, and just living life in general.

Today I had the great fortune of getting to talk with Steve Cleaver: author, playwright, poet, songwriter, yoga teacher, radio host, and good guy. I will not try to summarize the interview as I would not be able to capture any of the spirit in doing so, except to say that we focused mainly on what the word spiritual might mean, as well as creativity, and how those two things relate. Suffice to say it was immensely interesting, and here it is in its unvarnished entirety:

Steve Cleaver is the author of the highly praised Saving Erasmus:


which book can still be obtained from places like, and might just be available in your public library. He is also the host of the radio show Leave It To Cleaver which airs on Sunday evenings from 7 to 8 pm on WECI 91.5 FM, Richmond, Indiana’s public radio. He also teaches yoga around the Richmond, Indiana area. More information is available on his website:

You can check out other posts in this series by clicking here.

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